King's Indian Defence: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4...... 8.d5

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E661.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.Nf3 d6 5.g3 0-0 6.Bg2 c5 7.0-0 Nc6 8.d5
Sep 12, 2028
TL;DR

White closes the centre with d5, kicking the c6-knight and seizing space. Black reroutes via ...Na5 or ...Ne5 and prepares queenside breaks with ...a6 and ...b5; meanwhile the Bg2 bishop is suddenly biting on granite.

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King's Indian Defence: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4...... 8.d5: A Complete Guide
King's Indian Defence: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4...... 8.d5 - Opening Moves
Summary

The King's Indian Defence: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4... 8.d5 begins with 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.Nf3 d6 5.g3 0-0 6.Bg2 c5 7.0-0 Nc6 8.d5 (ECO E66). Across rating levels it shows up in 108,387 recorded games — enough data to map exactly where it succeeds and where it stalls.

History and Notable Players

It arises from the King's Indian Defence: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4... 7.0-0. On the White side, Milan Vukic (19 games), Margarita Voiska (6 games), Efim Geller (6 games) top the database. Notable Black exponents: Svetozar Gligoric (14 games), Robert E Byrne (9 games), Kvetoslav Znamenacek (7 games).

Performance Across Rating Levels

The picture changes a lot as you climb the rating ladder. The 1200 bracket has 725 games (0.00% of all games at that level); White wins 54.5%, Black 41.9%, 3.6% are drawn. By 1800, popularity is 0.00% and White's score is 51.5% to Black's 43.7%. Among 2500-rated players the line appears in 0.03% of games and draws spike to 8.3%, indicating tight preparation. White's edge erodes by 8.6pp from 1200 to 2500 Elo, suggesting Black's counterplay is easier to find with experience.

Move Diversity and Theory Depth

What players actually play after the opening moves depends heavily on rating. At 1200 Elo, the top reply is Ne5, played 30.6% of the time. There are 5 other moves seeing meaningful share, and 74.2% of games stick to established theory. Entropy: 2.38. By 2500, Na5 dominates at 95.3% of replies; only 1 viable alternatives remain and 99.2% of moves are theory. Entropy drops to 0.34. The narrowing is significant — strong players consolidate around a small set of best moves, while amateurs scatter across many plausible-looking options.

Common Mistakes

  • Drifting away from main theory — At 400 Elo, theory adherence sits at 81.3% — versus 88.6% at 2000. The most popular deviation is Nb4 (played 27.1% of the time at 400, much less so up top). It looks fine but quietly hands the better-prepared side an edge.
  • Neglecting development — Extra pawn moves in the opening are tempting, especially when you "know the moves". Developing a piece each turn is the simple correction.
  • Letting White own the centre — Hypermodern openings concede central space on purpose, but only if you strike back in time. Delay the counter-blow and you end up squeezed.

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Quick Facts

Main Line1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.Nf3 d6 5.g3 0-0 6.Bg2 c5 7.0-0 Nc6 8.d5
DifficultyExpert
Style

Hypermodern openings let the opponent occupy the center with pawns, then attack it from the flanks with pieces and fianchettoed bishops. Control is exerted from a distance rather than by direct occupation.

108,387games on Lichess
48.4%
6%
45.6%
White wins Draws Black wins

Top Players

As White

Data from Lichess opening explorer (blitz & rapid)

Most Popular At2500
SharpnessBalanced

Popularity by Rating

Percentage of all games at each rating bracket that feature this opening.

Data from Lichess opening explorer (blitz & rapid games)

Theory Adherence by Rating

How often players choose the single most popular move at this position. Higher = more predictable play.

Black to move after the opening line

Popularity Over Time

Share of all Lichess blitz + rapid games featuring this opening, by year.

Top Moves by Rating

Black to move after the opening line

RatingMost Popular2nd3rd
400Ne535.4%Nb427.1%Nd418.8%
1000Ne531.3%Nb430.8%Na515.2%
1200Ne530.6%Nb424.3%Na519.3%
1400Ne527.6%Nb423.5%Nb820.3%
1600Nb832.9%Ne520.9%Na520.5%
1800Nb839%Na526.9%Nb416.5%
2000Na546.4%Nb832%Nb410.2%
2200Na575.9%Nb814.2%Ne55.5%
2500Na595.3%Nb82.7%Ne51.2%

Popularity by Time Control

Bullet
<0.01%99K
Blitz
<0.01%100K
Rapid
<0.01%8K
3% more decisive in bullet
Raw data tables (Lichess blitz + rapid)
King's Indian Defence: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4...... 8.d5: popularity and win rates by player rating
Rating (Elo)Share %GamesWhite win %Black win %Draw %Sharpness
4000.005048.046.06.00.940
10000.0020156.740.33.00.970
12000.0072554.541.93.60.964
14000.001,95153.542.34.20.958
16000.005,51452.743.43.80.962
18000.0017,62951.543.74.80.952
20000.0138,42748.346.05.70.943
22000.0239,65546.546.66.90.931
25000.034,23545.945.88.30.917
King's Indian Defence: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4...... 8.d5: move-choice theory adherence by rating
Rating (Elo)Top moveTop move %Viable movesTheory %Entropy
400Ne535.4481.32.218
1000Ne531.3477.32.385
1200Ne530.6574.22.382
1400Ne527.6571.42.341
1600Nb832.9474.32.221
1800Nb839.0482.42.059
2000Na546.4488.61.811
2200Na575.9395.61.160
2500Na595.3199.20.343
King's Indian Defence: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4...... 8.d5: popularity over time
YearShare %GamesWhite win %Black win %Draw %
20130.003354.539.46.1
20140.0013753.341.65.1
20150.0045848.746.54.8
20160.001,37651.543.05.5
20170.002,65248.545.65.8
20180.004,83548.745.65.6
20190.007,10649.844.55.7
20200.0015,31449.943.86.3
20210.0015,57349.244.95.9
20220.0016,18347.646.55.9
20230.0017,24847.946.06.2
20240.0016,85847.846.35.9
20250.0017,85647.546.66.0
King's Indian Defence: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4...... 8.d5: popularity by time control
FormatShare %GamesWhite win %Black win %Draw %Sharpness
bullet0.0098,94647.948.23.90.961
blitz0.00100,07548.345.85.90.941
rapid0.008,02549.842.97.30.927
King's Indian Defence: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4...... 8.d5: top candidate moves by rating bracket
Rating (Elo)1st move1st %2nd move2nd %3rd move3rd %
400Ne535.4Nb427.1Nd418.8
1000Ne531.3Nb430.8Na515.2
1200Ne530.6Nb424.3Na519.3
1400Ne527.6Nb423.5Nb820.3
1600Nb832.9Ne520.9Na520.5
1800Nb839.0Na526.9Nb416.5
2000Na546.4Nb832.0Nb410.2
2200Na575.9Nb814.2Ne55.5
2500Na595.3Nb82.7Ne51.2
King's Indian Defence: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4...... 8.d5: top practitioners by side
SidePlayerGames
WhiteMilan Vukic19
WhiteMargarita Voiska6
WhiteEfim Geller6
BlackSvetozar Gligoric14
BlackRobert E Byrne9
BlackKvetoslav Znamenacek7

Frequently Asked Questions

What is the King's Indian Defence: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4... 8.d5?

The King's Indian Defence: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4... 8.d5 begins with 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.Nf3 d6 5.g3 0-0 6.Bg2 c5 7.0-0 Nc6 8.d5 and is classified under ECO code E66.

Is the King's Indian Defence: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4... 8.d5 good for beginners?

The King's Indian Defence: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4... 8.d5 can be played at any level. Beginners should focus on understanding the key strategic ideas rather than memorizing long theoretical lines. Our AI bots at various rating levels provide a great way to practice the opening concepts.

What are the win rates for the King's Indian Defence: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4... 8.d5?

In a database of 108,387 master games, White wins 48.4% of the time, Black wins 45.6%, and 6% are drawn. Notable players on the White side include Milan Vukic and Margarita Voiska. On the Black side, Svetozar Gligoric and Robert E Byrne are among the most frequent practitioners.

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Reviewed by

IM John Bartholomew
IM John BartholomewCo-Founder & Chess Educator

International Master and chess educator. Co-founded Chessable and joined Chessiverse as co-founder. Best known for his "Climbing the Rating Ladder" YouTube series and structured opening courses.

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